Curse

Ez now · Apr 06, 2009, 06:40 PM // 18:40

Ok, well I recently made a PvE sin, and heard they're fairly good in pvp, so i got a build off wiki and put it to the test, and it turned out I liked it. I changed a few things in the build, and here is my product:
[build=OwBi0xj8EnHglZ/XCz4z/mgA]

I think it works quite well, but how could I improve it? Help is appreciated.

I've taken some of the things you've said on board, and this is what i've got:
[build=OwFjUNd8ITVQYFXhKMJMGfIMTQA]

I've added a deep wound, an extra KD and added palm strike as my elite, but using flurry to keep my IAS. I'm hoping this is better than the last

*Also, I had a secondary proffession, it just didn't show ^^*

Byron · Apr 06, 2009, 06:47 PM // 18:47

Change your bloody profession.

Sins are stupid 1-2-3-4 shadow stepping weak chain cowards.

Ez now · Apr 06, 2009, 06:48 PM // 18:48

That's personal opinion i'm afraid, and in no way helped me improve my build..

own age myname · Apr 06, 2009, 07:26 PM // 19:26

Instead of [[Blades of Steel] put [[Death Blossom]

You can then spam it if your KD doesn't work.

turbo234 · Apr 06, 2009, 07:28 PM // 19:28

no deep wound makes me sad.

Ariena Najea · Apr 06, 2009, 07:28 PM // 19:28

I suggest dropping [[Critical Defenses] for [[Assassin's Remedy]. I see that you are taking advantage of [[Golden Fox Strike]'s effect while enchanted, and switching this will allow you to continue to be attack without being blocked.

zling · Apr 06, 2009, 07:28 PM // 19:28

in AB mobility is the key, think I'd preffer a shadowstep to [way of the assassin] in which case I'd ditch [critical defenses] for a Warrior IAS of choice, probably [flurry] also add a Deep Wound in there somehow...

Expherious · Apr 06, 2009, 07:33 PM // 19:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Byron

Change your bloody profession.

Sins are stupid 1-2-3-4 shadow stepping weak chain cowards.

says the guy who can't play them o.O

Skyy High · Apr 06, 2009, 07:54 PM // 19:54

I think some kind of self-heal would be more beneficial than the block enchant.

shinta_himura · Apr 06, 2009, 08:25 PM // 20:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Byron

Change your bloody profession.

Sins are stupid 1-2-3-4 shadow stepping weak chain cowards.

There is this thing called memory, and humans have a track record of ocassionally forgetting some things, such as forgetting a second prof when your build doesn't actually use any.

Also worth noting is the posted build has no shadow steps at all. Or the fact that assassins go 1 2 3 4 because that's how their attacks work. Or even that you're an idiot.

Snow Bunny · Apr 06, 2009, 08:29 PM // 20:29

I'd do what byron says and get a 2nd profession

Edit:

To the poster above me, despite the fact that the build has no shadowsteps, it is indeed a 12345 instagib bar.

It takes no skill to play.

As for the enchantment, critical defenses will be much more useful for things like soloing the warrior/ranger shrines.

A secondary profession would give you better utility so you could take a much better elite.

Bobby2 · Apr 06, 2009, 08:41 PM // 20:41

Crit Defenses sucks.
Not having a Deep Wound sucks.
Not having a snare sucks.
Not having a shadow step means you're basically a very squishy warrior who needs his attack skills to combo.

Zzes Tyan · Apr 06, 2009, 08:53 PM // 20:53

drop 5-6-7 for Res Sig, Critical Eye, and Death Blossom, otherwise great build

Alleji · Apr 06, 2009, 09:06 PM // 21:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Byron

Change your bloody profession.

Sins are 1-2-3-4.

I agree with this, but if you just want to press numbers in sequence and not get better at the game, stick with the sin. It kills stuff. It's mindless fun.

Just swap Way of the assassin for Palm Strike (it can be replaced with Critical Eye if you like crit%), drop your lead (don't need one with PS) and put in Twisting Fangs. Deep wound is a massive chunk of extra damage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zzes Tyan

drop 5-6-7 for Res Sig, Critical Eye, and Death Blossom, otherwise great build

Uh, res sig in AB? "Great build"? Ok... I think you're even worse than the OP.

Eragon Zarroc · Apr 06, 2009, 09:08 PM // 21:08

i would want a teleport, snare, and deep wound as a sin trying to spike in AB. tele to reach the guy, snare to keep him in place, deep wound for quicker kill.

Lux Aeterna · Apr 06, 2009, 09:41 PM // 21:41

I'd run around trying to bull's strike you for a while then give up when I saw crit d and go kill over 9000 palm striker.

Meh
Use wastrel's collapse

Also my sin build has 3 knockdown attacks, keeping the target qknocked for the duration of the spike.

ac1inferno · Apr 07, 2009, 12:31 AM // 00:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ez now

[build=OwBi0xj8EnHglZ/XCz4z/mgA]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby2

Crit Defenses sucks.
Not having a Deep Wound sucks.
Not having a snare sucks.
Not having a shadow step means you're basically a very squishy warrior who needs his attack skills to combo.

I pretty much agree with everything above except for the last line. Assassins do not need a shadow step in their build for it to be good. An assassin build can work perfectly fine without a shadow step and self heal if you can snare the foe and/or run away from it.

I would suggest any of the following:

[build prof=Assassin/Paragon DaggerMaster=12+1+1 CriticalStrikes=12+1 Command=3]["Find Their Weakness!"][Way of the Assassin][Leaping Mantis Sting][Jungle Strike][Horns of the Ox][Falling Lotus Strike][Blades of Steel][Dash][/build]

[build prof=A/W dagg=12+1+1 crit=12+1]["Coward!"][Frenzy][Leaping Mantis Sting][Jungle Strike][Horns of the Ox][Falling Spider][Twisting Fangs][Dash][/build]

[build prof=Assassin/Warrior dagger=12+1+1 crit=12+1][Palm Strike][Frenzy][Trampling Ox][Falling Spider][Horns of the Ox][Falling Lotus][Twisting Fangs][Dash][/build]

[build prof=A/W DaggerMastery=12+1+1 CriticalStrikes=12+1][Wastrel's Collapse][Frenzy][Leaping Mantis Sting][Jungle Strike][Horns of the Ox][Falling Lotus Strike][Twisting Fangs][Dash][/build]

[build prof=assas/warr critical=12+1 dagger=12+1+1]["You're All Alone!"][Frenzy][Leaping Mantis Sting][Jungle Strike][Trampling Ox][Falling Spider][Twisting Fangs][Dash][/build]

Boogz · Apr 07, 2009, 01:00 AM // 01:00

"Find Their Weakness" - 10e 15sec cd, no thanks.
stick with the "Coward!" build, but Flurry instead of Frenzy.

Lux Aeterna · Apr 07, 2009, 10:21 AM // 10:21

Frenzy sins FTL. You'd think it would work like it does on war but sins just take too much damage and it's kind of a joke.

Also a sin with find their weakness beat me in 1v1, but IIRC I messed up or something. Blades of steel does a LOT of damage, I tried it once and the first time it hit an ele for double 90s.

Alleji · Apr 07, 2009, 03:45 PM // 15:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lux Aeterna

Also a sin with find their weakness beat me in 1v1, but IIRC I messed up or something. Blades of steel does a LOT of damage, I tried it once and the first time it hit an ele for double 90s.

TF does about as much thanks to the deep wound, works well on hard targets, and far less conditional.

For example, you can PS/Fangs a low target for a quick kill and you can't do that with blades. Of course, nobody ever does that because all sins are dumb and only capable in doing 1-2-3-4-5, not 1-5.

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Originally Posted by ac1inferno

[build prof=assas/warr critical=12+1 dagger=12+1+1]["You're All Alone!"][Frenzy][Leaping Mantis Sting][Jungle Strike][Trampling Ox][Falling Spider][Twisting Fangs][Dash][/build]

Why Leaping Mantis on this bar? You could go with Distupting Stab (I find the biggest advantage of this is not that it interrupts, but that it throws off rangers trying to dshot your chain because it's faster than a normal attack) or even Iron Palm. Moar KDs = moar winning?

Although in case of Iron Palm you'd probably want another lead to spike more often than 20 seconds... nevermind, not such a good choice >.>